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Post by moby54 on Apr 14, 2015 8:54:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 18:37:30 GMT
I have a full licence for any size motor cycle John .
If your licence says up to 125 cc I would think you don't need CBT or L plates.
However if you want to ride machines of larger capacity you will need to do a course with a riding school.you will need to be supervised by an approved
Instructor and display L plates.
I know the rules have changed in the last few years & there are different grades of power ( engine output)licences.
Look on DVLA. Website .
I think you have to be over 25 to ride the top powered machines .From memory you EASILY fall into that grade .......!!!!!!!!!
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Post by moby54 on Apr 17, 2015 14:02:08 GMT
thanks for the info bb, will persue this matter as my mate as offered to let me ride his new hudson,sometime this year[ 98cc]but dont want to fall foul of the law,once again thanks for the info,regards john,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 17:29:19 GMT
If it says you can ride up to 125cc that will be without L plates, I only have a 50cc capacity on mine, therefore to ride a 100 I would need to take my cbt again and do my A2 license.(up to 125cc and 11kW/15hp)
The A1 license is machines up to 33kW but either of these options aren't really cost effective as you can do your unrestricted cat A license if you're over 24
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 19:01:37 GMT
Im sure as well John the CBT only last one year, be aware of this unless you are thinking of doing a full bike test within that year, if not its a CBT every year to ride 125cc on your licence....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 20:33:50 GMT
CBT lasts 2 years, if you don't do anything with it your car license will then go back to just having 50cc entitlement (albeit without L plates) if you pass a motorbike theory and practical test within those 2 years you then keep that entitlement on your license until the date specified on the back of your photocard. These dates are based on your age and just mean you will have to reapply for that entitlement once the time comes.
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Post by moby54 on Apr 17, 2015 21:07:41 GMT
thanks for all the input gents on this subject,a friend of mine as a friend that is a motor cycle instructor,so will ask his advice as well,thanks all, will post the outcme,so if anyone else needs to know i will post my results on here just incase,regards john
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Post by raypaice on Dec 12, 2016 9:58:40 GMT
I have a full bike license from 1967 so assume this is still current? Otherwise I can ride my AV42 on my car license.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 13:57:06 GMT
Ray ,you should be able to ride any size bike on that licence.
Mind you keep an eye on your licence if you had ever sent it to DVLA.
A friend of mine sent his to them ( change of address I think).
On getting it back he noticed they had deleted his motorcycle licence & did not advise him .!!!!!
Don't know how he got on getting it back.
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Post by raypaice on Dec 12, 2016 16:47:45 GMT
You scared me Bostonboy so I checked mine and its fine, but will now keep a photocopy just in case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 21:22:14 GMT
Sound idea Ray.
I think I will do the same.........!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2016 21:35:59 GMT
You can check your licence groups on-line, which is good for making sure that what DVLA thinks you have is the same as what's written on your licence.
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Post by raypaice on Dec 13, 2016 10:42:01 GMT
You can check your licence groups on-line, which is good for making sure that what DVLA thinks you have is the same as what's written on your licence. I have just checked mine and you need the license number, NI number and postcode to look it up. I found I can drive Motorbikes over 50cc and capable of over 50km/h with or without a sidecar. ( Passed my bike test in 1967) 3 Wheel cars Vehicles up to 3,500kg with no more than 8 passengers and a driver plus a trailer (up to 750kg) As above with a trailer over 750kg Vehicles up to 7500kg and a trailer (total not to exceed 12,000kg max) Minibus max 16 passengers and a trailer, Agricultural or forestry tractor Mowing machines Electric vehicles Vehicles exempt of Excise duty (handly as mine is exempt as Historic) and of course Mopeds of course no more than 50cc and max 50km/h (thats just 31 mph on a car license) Bit of fun checking and I was worried if I was was still listed :-) Now whose going to lend me a forestry tractor to play with......?? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 11:02:58 GMT
Vehicles exempt of Excise duty (handly as mine is exempt as Historic) I don't think that applies to Historic ... I think the distinction is that Historic aren't exempt from Excise duty, it's just that the rate of duty they pay is zero. Vehicles that travel less than a certain distance on the road (eg: works trucks that occasionally have to cross a public road to get from one side of a works to the other are, I believe, the type of thing that's intended here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 13:13:37 GMT
At work I use this link to check our staff's driving licences.. www.gov.uk/view-driving-licenceIt's very handy because you can obvioulsy check your own ,but it also details exactly what you can drive and any restrictions. For example I checked mine and it said I could drive anyhing up to 50cc AND a motorcylce to 600cc BUT restricted to 3 wheelers. |
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Post by super50 on Mar 28, 2020 13:27:01 GMT
just renewed driving licence, past my car test about 1971 so ok to ride moped (catP),at some stage mopeds were restricted to 30mph (no pedals) but you could still ride mopeds with pedals that could do over 30 mph.
new licence has cat P on it with this
Description
You can drive motor vehicles with fewer than 4 wheels with a maximum design speed exceeding 45 kilometres per hour (km/h) but not exceeding 50km/h and which, if propelled by an internal combustion engine, has a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50cc
so question is can I ride a moped with a speed over 31.5 mph? on a cat p ?
this may apply to all of us that have never taken a m/c test
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Post by cooperman1 on Mar 28, 2020 13:38:40 GMT
You just back of when you see a police car! ; )
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Post by billbo45 on Mar 28, 2020 13:50:17 GMT
just renewed driving licence, past my car test about 1971 so ok to ride moped (catP),at some stage mopeds were restricted to 30mph (no pedals) but you could still ride mopeds with pedals that could do over 30 mph. new licence has cat P on it with this Description You can drive motor vehicles with fewer than 4 wheels with a maximum design speed exceeding 45 kilometres per hour (km/h) but not exceeding 50km/h and which, if propelled by an internal combustion engine, has a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50cc so question is can I ride a moped with a speed over 31.5 mph? on a cat p ? this may apply to all of us that have never taken a m/c test Do you not have fklnpq? |
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Post by billbo45 on Mar 28, 2020 14:10:09 GMT
Category Q
You can drive motor vehicles with fewer than 4 wheels which, if propelled by an internal combustion engine, has a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50cc and, if not equipped with pedals by means of which the vehicle is capable of being propelled, has a maximum design speed not exceeding 25km/h
That's letting you ride a traditional moped with NO speed restriction.
That's the one you want.
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Post by billbo45 on Mar 28, 2020 14:28:36 GMT
For us who do not have a motorcycle full licence or a CBT certificate..
Riding a vintage moped on your car licence is permissible provided you have the correct category on your licence.
Keep in mind that vintage mopeds have pedals.
Most will have AM and P which carry the following restrictions and are aimed at under 50cc and NO pedals.
AM..Description
You can drive 2-wheel vehicles or 3-wheel vehicles with a maximum design speed of over 25km/h and not more than 45km/h. Light quadricycles with an unladen mass of not more than 350kg, not including the mass of the batteries in the case of electric vehicles, whose maximum speed is over 25km/h and not more than 45km/h
P...Description
You can drive motor vehicles with fewer than 4 wheels with a maximum design speed exceeding 45 kilometres per hour (km/h) but not exceeding 50km/h and which, if propelled by an internal combustion engine, has a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50cc
However, the important one to most of us is the need to be able to ride something that has a top speed that exceeds 30 miles per hour.
And for that, you need to have Q as it states the 25kph is if you do not have pedals.
Q...Description
You can drive motor vehicles with fewer than 4 wheels which, if propelled by an internal combustion engine, has a cylinder capacity not exceeding 50cc and, if not equipped with pedals by means of which the vehicle is capable of being propelled, has a maximum design speed not exceeding 25km/h
Best thing for anyone to do is go on the DVLA site and you can look up exactly what you are licenced for. You will need your post code, your driving licence number and your national insurance number.
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Post by raypaice on Mar 28, 2020 17:11:03 GMT
I checked a while ago just for interest but as I have a full bike licence I am okay.
So as Coops said if you see a police car throttle back as if driving on a car licence the fastest your bike should be designied to go is 27.96mph.
My licence also allows me to drive on a provisionally a road roller or a tracked vehicle. Next project maybe a Chieftan Tank!
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Post by super50 on Mar 28, 2020 18:11:58 GMT
licence includes "q" so does that cover me ? it seems like a "grey" area for mopeds with pedals capable of over 30 mph
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Post by billbo45 on Mar 28, 2020 20:38:16 GMT
licence includes "q" so does that cover me ? it seems like a "grey" area for mopeds with pedals capable of over 30 mph
Well Now! You have Q You passed your car before 2000 You are OK on the RM12. |
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Post by super50 on Mar 29, 2020 7:06:04 GMT
Thanks for the answers, getting a tad worried at first.Just off for a ride round the garden! Keep safe
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Post by moby54 on Mar 29, 2020 10:44:40 GMT
Any car licence prior to 2000feb does cover mopeds but only up to 50cc.and not exceeding 30mph.and if the moped doesn't exceed 30mph.it doesn't legally require a speed ometer either.
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Post by raypaice on Mar 29, 2020 10:49:36 GMT
Well lot's of ours do exceed 30mph now....
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Post by affectionado on Mar 29, 2020 10:50:44 GMT
My problem with this has been getting Insurance. Despite my licence covering "Vehicle Group E : Moped ", (I passed my car driving test in 1977), Insurers won't touch me, as I haven't taken a CBT (yet). Was waiting for better weather to do that, but under current Lockdown rules, I can't book a CBT. So, I too, am just riding round the garden. Keep safe everyone.
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Post by raypaice on Mar 29, 2020 10:56:52 GMT
Did you try Footman James?
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Post by Tango on Mar 29, 2020 11:29:57 GMT
My problem with this has been getting Insurance. Despite my licence covering "Vehicle Group E : Moped ", (I passed my car driving test in 1977), Insurers won't touch me, as I haven't taken a CBT (yet). Was waiting for better weather to do that, but under current Lockdown rules, I can't book a CBT. So, I too, am just riding round the garden. Keep safe everyone. Your getting quotes from the wrong insurance companies, As Ray said try Footman James or the company i am with Peter James. |
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Post by billbo45 on Mar 29, 2020 12:46:24 GMT
Any car licence prior to 2000feb does cover mopeds but only up to 50cc.and not exceeding 30mph.and if the moped doesn't exceed 30mph.it doesn't legally require a speed ometer either. No no no.... That's only if they don't have pedals. |
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